5 Reasons Why Discarding The Expanded Universe Is A Good Thing For STAR WARS

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Last week, Lucasfilm made headlines with an official press release that essentially relegated the entirety of the Star Wars Expanded Universe—novels, comics, video games, role-playing manuals, et al—to mere “What If?” status (read the full statement here).

If you’re lazy and don’t want to wade through it, here’s the gist of the situation: all of the events and characters contained within the EU were declared non-canon, ending all speculation about the possibility of the Mara Jades or the Grand Admiral Thrawns or the Yuuzhan Vongs or the Kyle Katarns of the world appearing in film adaptations of their literary or digital adventures. None of the EU narratives, characters, or events  will have any impact on the one, true canon of Star Wars, i,e the Clone Wars animated series, Episodes 1-6, the new Star Wars: Rebels animated series, and the new film trilogy under Disney. Some character or planet names might pop up in Episodes 7-9 (or in the new in-canon publishing initiative Disney plans to launch), and the materials that compose the Expanded Universe, or “EU” for short, will remain in circulation – but they will be rebranded with a gold band bearing the title “Star Wars Legends,” and for all intents and purposes, will be completely irrelevant.

The immediate reactions from fans of this literary and video game expansion of the six core Star Wars films ranged from mild disappointment, all the way up to righteous indignation and seething, frothing rage; many hardcores openly declared their  love of the Expanded Universe far outweighed their attachment to the films, and vowed to boycott any new Disney Star Wars product, including Episode VII. But Star Wars fans should not bemoan the jettisoning of this messy, labrynthine realm of green space bunnies and bearded Hutts, rather they should celebrate a fresh, new beginning and a re-focusing on the medium Star Wars truly belongs to – films. Discarding the EU is a good thing for Star Wars, and here’s five reasons why:

5.) The Star Wars Universe Is Now (Mostly) Free Of Convolution

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The Star Wars EU is a dense, tangled forest whose gnarled, twisted roots run deep. The timeline of events is a jumbled mess and many stories in the EU openly contradict events that occurred in the comics, games, and even other previously published novels. By clearing it out, Disney/Lucasfilm can start fresh and construct a coherent narrative which builds off of the films virtually everyone knows by heart, without having to worry about educating Joe Sixpack and your everyday moviegoers about the children Han and Leia had; or which one of them turned to the dark side and which ones died off in a lengthy, convoluted war with a weird, very un-Star Wars like species called the Yuuzhan Vong, for example.

Fans who have read every EU novel, comic books series, role-playing game manual, and played every video game likely account for a mere fraction of a percent of Star Wars fandom, so why should Lucasfilm cater to these individuals and make it more difficult for Star Wars fans and moviegoers who never had the time, money, or emotional investment to engross themselves in mountains of reading material? Lucasfilm CEO Kathleen Kennedy and the Disney brass saw the writing on the wall and knew it time for a fresh start; they made a logical decision to keep things simple, stick to the films, and appeal to the widest possible audience. Star Wars is for everyone, and the EU made it too insular.

4.) All Of Those Terrible Stories Have Been Wiped Away

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Even the staunchest EU supporters have to admit to themselves that their beloved literary galaxy is rife with plodding narratives, nonsensical twists, repetitive plot devices, and some awful Mary Sue characters. I haven’t read any of these books or comics in years, but right off the top of my head, I can cite the following terrible, horrible, no-good things that Star Wars no longer has to worry about:

Suncrushers, Darksabers, World Devastators and other tedious superweapons developed by the Imperial remnants; Waru, the sentient gold Jell-O mold and cult leader (yes, really); Trioculus, the Emperor’s long-lost,  three-eyed son; Lowbacca the Wookiee and the entire Young Jedi Knights YA Fiction series; Force-canceling lizards; Prince Isolder the Fabio-esque space royal who spent  an entire novel trying to get into Leia’s pants; The recurring plot device of Han and Leia’s children getting kidnapped pretty much everywhere they went; Bounty Hunter IG-88 uploading his A.I into the second Death Star and taking control of its systems right before it was destroyed; Chewbacca getting killed by an entire planet falling on him and on and on it goes. I’m sure I’m forgetting about dozens of other atrocities and transgressions against good storytelling here, but thankfully all of them can now be written off as a bad fever dream; a series of tales which took place in some alternate dimension none of us ever has to visit if we don’t want to.

3.) Characters Who Have Died Can Live Again, And Vise Versa

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The EU killed off beloved characters like General Madine, Mon Mothma, Admiral Ackbar, and—as I mentioned earlier—poor ol’ Chewbacca. It also resurrected characters who died in the original trilogy like Boba Fett and The Emperor – both in pretty dumb ways (If i recall correctly, Boba Fett’s rescue from the Sarlacc Pit involved having to serve as best man in fellow bounty hunter Dengar’s wedding to one of Jabba’s slave girls or something). Now, thanks to the shuttering of the EU, Chewbacca never had a planet dropped on him, and JJ Abrams has the freedom to bring back Boba Fett in a cooler, more interesting way if he so chooses. Then again, if you’re stupid and clumsy enough to get taken out by a blind guy fresh out of carbon freezing in a Laurel & Hardy-esque manner, you probably deserve to stay dead.

2.) The Mysteries Of The Force And The Jedi/Sith Are Intact

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One of the things that drove me bananas about the EU material—especially the stuff that dealt with the Force and Jedi Knights—was the over-explanantion and the stripping away of everything cool and mysterious about the Force. The EU did stupid things like creating and categorizing different styles of lightsaber combat (similar to different styles of martial arts), a few authors gave Force-sensitive individuals weird powers never glimpsed in the films, and perhaps worst of all – pretty much every other character Han, Luke, and company ran into the EU was either a Force-sensitive Jedi potential, or an unstoppable Mary Sue Jedi Master or Sith Lord who appeared after being “hidden” somewhere for decades. Even in the Prequels, when the Jedi were at the height of their power and numbers, we only saw perhaps 30 or 40 of them. The Force and The concept of who can truly become a Jedi lost its significance and got mired in unnecessary minutiae.

George Lucas is guilty himself of peeling away the layers of mystery away from the Force with his misguided and mundane midichlorian nonsense, but aside from that misstep, now all we know about the mysteries of the Force is what we discovered in the films and The Clone Wars animated series, paving a way for the return of The Force as something deep and mystical. The Force isn’t something you should break down, categorize, label, or micromanage; it should be spoken about in hushed tones and gazed upon in wide-eyed wonder. Yoda says is best: “Size matters not. “Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere…”

1.) Surprises Are Back In Play:

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One of the biggest complaints fans levied against the Prequels was that they were almost completely devoid of drama, tension, or stakes, because anybody who saw the “classic trilogy” knew where the characters were going to end up in the end. Good, dramatic storytelling requires the element of surprise; a sense that anything can happen. Now that this new trilogy of movies under Disney and JJ Abrams aren’t beholden to the events in novel series like Fate of the Jedi and Legacy of the Force—which told stories about Luke and Leia in their 60s and beyond—anything can happen and anything could have happened in the 35 some-odd  years between Return of the Jedi and Episode VII.

Maybe Han and Leia realized they were too different and split up without ever marrying or having children; Maybe Luke went off alone to live a quiet life of contemplation rather than train new Jedi Knights; Maybe Leia turned to the Dark Side and she is the leader of the Sith in Episodes 7-9; Maybe The Emperor never really died; Maybe the Emperor’s former master Darth Plaguies the Wise, who boasted about having the power to create life, is still out there somewhere? The bottom line here is that Star Wars once again is rife with unlimited possibilities, and there’s an open, uncharted galaxy ahead of us; let’s plug in some hyperspace coordinates to anywhere and punch it.

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Jeff Carter

Jeff is the defining voice of his generation. Sadly, that generation exists only in an alternate dimension where George Lucas became supreme overlord of the Earth in 1979 and replaced every television broadcast and theatrical film on the planet with Star Wars and Godzilla movies. In this dimension, he’s just a guy from New England who likes writing snarky things about superheroes, monsters, and robots.

  • James Cray

    Skippy the Jedi droid is no longer real! Nooooooooooo…

    • JTReader

      He never was to begin with. The tale was clearly Infinities. The only thing ever canon about Skippy was that the legend of that happening existed in universe.

      • James Cray

        It was a joke.

        • The Fza

          I got your joke! It’s nice to see someone around here sees the humor in things and is not offensive like the moderator seems to be.

          I think all would do well to to remember what Asimov said about violence: It’s the last refuge of the incompetent… that goes for violent WORDS as well.

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  • N/A

    Not cool, sonic.

  • Porkchop

    After reading this I can only conclude that your only experiences with the EU were looking at the dust jackets and skimming wookiepedia pages… Seriously if you’re going to mock it at least pretend you did the research first.

    • I did years and years of research…spending hundreds of dollars and reading dozens upon dozens of these shitty EU novels and comics until I couldn’t take it anymore.

      • Porkchop

        Yet you don’t get the facts right… Just 3 quick and easy errors from your litany.. Boba Fett blew the guts out of the Sarlacc and crawled his way out on his own what happened with Dengar later had less to do with him escaping and more to do with him screwing over Bossk…It was a moon not a planet that fell on Chewie, and seriously you see dozens of Padawans and 30 or so Masters in the prequels never mind the inferences to there being many more… Hell I don’t even have to go into the issues with some of the worst parts of the EU being resurrected into the New Canon in Ep VII because it’s been done other places in this thread. Seriously either fully accept being a full on Star Wars nerd who wants to know everything you can find out about the series or accept your just a movie fan who likes big explosions and as little thinking as possible and move on.

        • Oh no, some rando on the Internet says I’m not a REAL Star Wars fan because I didn’t memorize 679 shitty novels! “It was a MOON, not a planet you IDIOT!” Get out of here with that pedantic nonsense. I love how you delusional EU cretins label fans and stand in judgment of them on your stack of “literature” that many wouldn’t even wipe their asses with if there was nothing else around.

          Let me ask you a few questions about *REAL* Star Wars fans. I saw Star Wars in 1977 when I was a young kid at a drive-in, my first action figure ever was Kenner’s original R2-D2. I’ve seen every film on the first day of release since, I’ve even interviewed your savior Timothy Zahn for early Internet blogs. Am I not a *REAL* fan because I tried the books, but didn’t find them to my liking? Yes, I prefer Star Wars in its intended cinematic medium. How about a guy who builds armor for the 501st and wears it to cheer up cancer patients, but he doesn’t like the EU. Is he a *REAL* fan? How about a Mother of 3 with no time to invest in this EU cluster. Is she a *REAL* fan?

          You are doing fandom a disservice with this gatekeeping and all your pathetic EU movement is succeeding in doing is driving a wedge right in the middle of our once united group.

          • Porkchop

            I never said not a fan… I said you’re not a Star Wars nerd. You prefer to insult what you don’t care for and believe you’re superior in some who to anyone who does enjoy it. I don’t care that you don’t like the books. I don’t care you have the reading comprehension of a 3 year old. I do not care that you seem to think that anyone who critiques your writing or disagrees with you in anyways is attacking you. I do rather care that you believe yourself and your chosen medium of entertainment superior to everyone else. There is nothing wrong with just being a movie fan who enjoys that medium, no more than I love comic book movies but have never taken the time to read all of Marvel and DC. That’s the difference is I love all of Star Wars the good the bad and the ugly (Except Crystal Star). I’ll critique the films and happily discuss them because it’s still Star Wars. I’ll read the books and discuss them because they’re still Star Wars (Gasp I’ve even been reading the new ones shocking). I’ll happily mock Ep VII for being a decent Sci Fi movie that’s not a very good Star Wars movie and Ep 2 for just being bad. What I won’t do is mock the people who do love them. Being just a fan of the movies is fine if that’s what you love who the hell cares what other people enjoy as long as the movies make you happy. The real question is why do you feel the need to denigrate everyone who loves the rest of Star Wars?

          • No one gives a shit that you like Star Wars books, but we mock you because you’re all being giant fucking babies about it, harrassing people, launching raids, spamming Amazon with mass unfavorable reviews (which are chock full of homophobia and bigotry), and can’t comprehend a common sense business decision.

          • Porkchop

            Lol apparently you do care otherwise you wouldn’t be screaming profanities just because I pointed out errors in your inane rant against the EU. It could also be pointed out that I haven’t harassed anyone and the only bad review I’ve given was for Aftermath because the writing was dreadful. I’ve recommended people give the other new canon books reads because they are far better written. The only bigot in this conversation has been you. You seem to hate anyone who disagrees with you to an irrational extent. As for how good a business decision this was only time will tell. It makes sense to want to do things their own way though I do wish they allowed the storylines in progress to wrap up.

          • “Time will tell?” It’s already over. TFA will likely become the highest grossing film ever made. It has a 94% freshness rating and an A Cinema score. The world is in love with Star Wars again. It’s the most popular thing in the world, thanks to this movie and all of the decisions made around it, including the shuttering of the EU. I completely stand by everything in this piece, and as it turns out, it was pretty damn accurate. So before I ban you from commenting for being a delusional troll, I wish you and your impotent, pathetic little book campaign all the best. May The Force Be With You.

  • Matthew Chenault

    The irony of this post is that everything Disney has done has been so terrible that it made the worst Expanded Universe stories look better. The shit fest that’s known as “Aftermath” is the prime example of how Disney cannot even hope of doing better than the Expanded Universe. Episode VII highlights how completely unoriginal Disney is and how they only know how to rip off and rehash other story lines while selling it as “new” and “original.”

    So, no all of those reasons you listed are completely moot by this point and, if anything, those reasons should be used to call for Disney’s canon to be decanonized.

    • I like how you’ve been trolling a bunch of articles about how Disney made the right choice in disregarding the EU. Are you one of those delusional folks who conducts “social media raids” on official Star Wars pages and tries to raise money for a pathetic “save the EU” billboard?

      • Matthew Chenault

        I like how you’re insulting me just because I’m pointing out the obvious. Are you one of those delusional folks who stalks and harasses people online simply because they support the Expanded Universe and then tries to get other people to send death threats to supporters of the Expanded Universe because they’re low-life scum bags?

        Laugh all you want, but Disney’s actions have been proving just about everything we’ve been saying right time and time again.

        • I’m sorry, I can’t hear you over all the fun I’m having going to repeated TFA screenings.

          • Matthew Chenault

            And I can’t hear you over the sound of people calling the film “uninteresting” and “boring.”

          • Adam Kruszynski

            His “approvals” were really only approvals in the sense of “go ahead and do it”. He never saw it as part of his canon.

            He “signed off” on TFU as well, but his show “Star Wars: Underworld” and later episodes of Clone Wars were supposed to both invalidate TFU and Starkiller.

            George was also writing a treatment for Ep. 7 BEFORE Disney offered to buy. It had absolutely NO EU characters…

          • Matthew Chenault

            If you watched the Charlie Rose Interview, he did that to try to see if they would pay more for the Franchise. Prior to the buy-off, he didn’t even want to do an Episode VII, VIII, nor IX because, for him, the story was complete and he lost the motivation to do them (if he ever had it to begin with). Also, no one knows what his script would have been like to begin with except for George Lucas and his close friends and family.

            Lucas was also involved with the Expanded Universe deeper then first realized. He would be around to answer questions for the writers about Luke, Leia, and Han and what would be acceptable. For example, Lucas told the writers that they were not allowed to kill off Luke, Leia, nor Han in their novels, which is what led to Chewbacca being killed off instead of Han Solo in one of the novels that led up to the Vong invasion (I can’t recall which one at the moment).

            While it is true that Lucas didn’t have as much of a hand in the Expanded Universe as he did with the films, he still cared enough about them to ensure that everything was organized and he would often reference back to the Expanded Universe for some ideas.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            No, in 2012, he began writing an Ep. 7. It had no Jaina, Jacen, Ben, or Anakin. It had no NJO. Chewie lived.
            As I said, they were checkboxes on a memo. He made it clear it wasn’t part of his canon.
            As a matter of fact, he “signed off” on TFU, yet his show “Underworld” (he had two seasons of it written down) would have invalidated both Starkiller and TFU, and so would later episodes of TCW (Hidalgo confirmed all of this). This is the exact same logic as Vector Prime, which he was attempting to replace with his own stuff anyway.
            Whenever he used EU material in his own work, it always contradicted the source material. In Dark Disciple, a canon book adapted from the last scripts of TCW, Vos very much contradicted his EU version. *spoilers* Ventress’s job and fate in it also contradict EU stuff for 2005 CW (which he told them to brush off as a whole). In his treatment for Ep.7, he considered using Talon and exploring her in it (he changed his mind later). If he went through with it, it would have featured the character decades before her EU version, and broken post ROTJ EU just as much as he was already planning to.
            As I said, he set those down as ground rules, maybe because he would use them later. That doesn’t mean he saw it as canon later. For example, “Splinter of the Mind’s Eye” was supposed to be adapted into the movie sequel of ANH, but George went his own way with TESB and ROTJ.
            As I said, they were checkboxes on a memo. He only vetoed something if it affected his own stuff. For example, he told them to not have Anakin Solo as a main character because it would conflict with his version of Anakin.

          • Matthew Chenault

            And 2012 was the year he sold the franchise. You do realize that, right?

            He said, himself, that he began to write a script when he planned on selling the franchise to see if he could get more money for it. We have *no* idea what his plans were for it because he never disclosed his script for Episode VII, VIII, and IX. So, for all we care, we don’t know how much he would have included of the Expanded Universe.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            No, he did that BEFORE he sold to Disney. Hidalgo confirmed all of this. He’s seen the treatment, and it had all of the things I mentioned. Absolutely no EU material. As a matter of fact, the built Ep. 7 off of his treatment. Lucas initially thought they rejected his treatment, but they didn’t.

          • Matthew Chenault

            Dude, he had already decided to sell the franchise *before* he began to write the script for his version of Episode VII.

          • Guys…guys…

          • Matthew Chenault

            Lucas, himself, said that he had already decided to sell the franchise back around 2010/2011 and that he was writing a script that would be his idea for Episode VII in order to see if Disney would pay more for the franchise. I would rather believe what Lucas himself said over what someone else said he said because, after Kathleen Kennedy told a bold-face lie about Lucas “liking Episode VII,” I can’t trust what others say he said.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            No, he said that “white-slave” stuff before seeing it. He gave it his blessing afterward.
            He may have been thinking about it, but that doesn’t change the fact that he was planning to retcon post-ROTJ EU anyway.
            I’m getting this information from Hidalgo’s personal Twitter page. He uas no reason to lie there

          • Matthew Chenault

            No, the Charlie Rose Interview occurred several weeks *after* he had been at the Premiere for Episode VII.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            No, that was in 2008. Get your facts straight.

          • Matthew Chenault

            Are you really that stupid? Lucas was interviewed by Charlie Rose in December, 2015 and the interview came out Christmas Day.

            [hulu id=886675]

          • Adam Kruszynski

            You gave me the link to a Hulu video, which I can’t watch. There’s no need to insult my intelligence.

          • Matthew Chenault

            Here’s the Youtube version of it. You could have also used that wonderful thing called “Google” to look it up and watch the full interview.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            The upload day of the video doesn’t necessarily match the day of the interview. As I said, this was before he even had seen the movie. Even if I’m wrong, he apologized later, and said fans would really enjoy it.
            Please, go ask Pablo Hidalgo on his Twitter. He’ll definitely answer your question.
            I would also appreciate it if you would stop insulting me. I haven’t said anything offensive to you.
            Please don’t message me again. Ask Pablo.Have a Good night.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            No, it was before. I checked. Also, he apologized for his words in January.

          • Matthew Chenault

            Dude, how the hell could he comment on a film if he hadn’t seen it. They even asked him about what he thought about the film.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            He commented on Disney, not the film itself.

          • Matthew Chenault

            No, he also commented on the film. He didn’t like it and that was pretty clear with how he went about explaining it.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            That was on December 13th, before the movie released. He said he had a distate for it’s retro style later. He even apologized, and said fans would enjoy it.
            Once more, stop messaging me. ASK. HIDALGO.

          • Matthew Chenault

            Dude, he saw the preview screening with Kathleen Kennedy.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            Once again, he apologized later for both his words and behavior, and said fans would enjoy it.
            His own feelings toward it are irrelevant now. He sold the company. He doesn’t determine canon anymore. If LFL says its canon, then it is. That’s all there is to it. They modelled their method of deciding canon after George’s anyway.
            Please, stop messaging me on this. Just ask Hidalgo all your questions. Please. Stop. Good night.

          • Matthew Chenault

            He apologized because the PC Gestapo bullied him into apologizing.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            I’m sure.

          • Hey Matthew, are you a Gamergater or an MRA? Or both?

          • Matthew Chenault

            I’m not affiliated with either movement, but I do know that Gamergate is about having ethics within gaming journalism and focuses on trying to keep Regressive Leftists from taking over Gaming and Men’s Rights Activists focus on ensuring that men are also treated fairly so that Feminists don’t go out and try to relegate men as Second-Class Citizens or far worse (something that is a distinct possibility considering the popularity of Modern Feminism and Social Justice, both of which don’t care about men and have been hijacked by man-haters).

          • Ooooookay, welp, now it all comes into focus. It’s not really about some bogeyman corporation taking away your toys, it’s about all those uppity WIMMENZ and minorities taking over my precious Star Wars!! The whole saga is PANDERING TO THE PC, SJW, YOU DOWN WITH OPP crowd! I’ve reviewed your comment history – you’re a trump supporter, you argue against LGBT rights, you insult Black Lives Matter supporters, and you use SJW and “White Kinighting” unironically. In short, you’re scum of the earth. Well, we’ll just get rid of you. There’s no room for your hate and bile here. Bye.

          • Matthew Chenault

            Jeff, I never had any problems with minorities or women as lead roles. What I *do* have a problem is when they force them in just so they can look good and sell a product. That, in of itself, is degrading for minorities because that means they think that the only reason they are there is because of the color of their skin or what is between their legs; not because they are a good actor or actress.

            That is the problem I have and that is where Star Wars is heading thanks to Kathleen Kennedy and Walt Disney Company, one of the major corporations that controls the mainstream media and, in essence, they control what you hear and see to fit what they want for you to know.

            So, yes, I don’t like the New Star Wars and I don’t like anything Disney has done to Star Wars because all they are doing with it is cashing in on it while also parroting the message that gets them more money, i.e. “Diversity,” “Social Justice,” and all of that stuff that has been leading the country down a dark path all too familiar to someone who has bothered to read a history book.

          • Banned.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            My point is, he didn’t see it as part of his canon. They modeled their way of dealing with the EU after his own: having a bit of truth in Legends. Whether you like ot or not, he gave the responsibility over to LFL. If they say it’s canon, well, it is. That’s the bottom line. Their contributions are just as canon as George’s.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            Look, maybe read one of the new canon books or see TFA or something. Give it a chance.
            And let’s be honest with ourselves: if the EU was just as canon as his stuff, it wouldn’t have to retcon itself endlessly to “fit”. I could also find a link to 15 contradictions to the EU in itself, if you want.
            I doubt he’d let IG-88 become THE DEATH STAR in his own canon.
            I gotta go. Just give it a chance. Have a nice day.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            My point is, he handed the responsibility of canon onto LFL and the Story Group. It’s similar to what he initially said for the EU, but as he began writing his own stories again, he changed his mind. He can’t for this, as he’s retired now, and I assume he’ s glad to be done with it.
            The EU had no idea what George had in store for the future: the prequels, TCW, Underworld, TESB , his Episode 7. That’s not the case now. The new stuff will fit snugly with the rest of the canon, and won’t rest on a house of retcon cards.

          • Matthew Chenault

            Once again, you haven’t done enough research on the subject. When Timothy Zahn was writing the Thrawn Trilogy, Lucas had explicitly told him and other writers *not* to write stories about the Clone Wars era because he would be covering that in the Prequel Trilogy. That is why the Clone Wars was, at the very most, barely talked about in many of the pre-1999 novels because of this condition.

            In the end of the day, Lucas was not going to write an Episode VII and he had said so after Episode III had come out. He didn’t want to make anymore Star Wars films, which only lends evidence to what I have been saying about Lucas writing it just to get Disney to buy it for a higher price.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            Guess that’s why the prequels are about clonemasters, and the Empire is 50 years old, isn’t it?
            He already was writing one, one that contradicted the EU. That was his plan. I don’t see a link to where he stated recently that he wasn’t. He had a full treatment with no EU material. The conversation should have been closed there.
            I have to go.

          • Matthew Chenault

            Which came from Lucas’s mouth until he changed his mind.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            Look, I’m just going to close this here.
            Through his words and actions, George has shown that he didn’t consider the EU part of his canon. Whether he was selling it or not, if he thought of it as canon, he would’ve adapted the EU into a movie, something he never did. He only considered the stuff he developed canon, and even when he’s acknowledged the EU, that didn’t mean he personally saw it as part of his own canon.
            Whenever he used EU material in his own stuff, he only considered his version of it to be canon. The Republic Commandos are nowhere near as gritty and almost soulless as their EU versions, for example.
            I doubt he was going to sell that early, considering he had not only 8 arcs of one project unproduced (4 of those have been reintroduced in some way), he had another full project with two seasons written down prepared to produce.
            Whatever opinion he held of the EU changed by the time of the prequels (remember his quote from 2001?). He started creating his own material again.
            The decision t stop the EU was a right one. Not only is there a more cohesive and understandable timeline, some really weird and sometimes stupid stuff is no longer officially canon (Dark Empire).
            Your enjoyment of a story really shouldn’t hang on whether it’s canon or not. The Legends rebranding is pretty fitting, actually: while mostly untrue, there’s a kernel of truth in all of them. Plus, who doesn’t wnjoy a good legend?
            Please, don’t message me any more on the topic. Instead, please watch Ep.7 instead. Please, at least give it a chance. And please, also look for more information than that. Ask Pablo Hidalgo on his Twitter: he’ll almsot certainly answer your question.
            Have a good night. MTFBWY.

          • Matthew Chenault

            I did… and it’s a boring movie that is loved by Social Justice Warriors and all around conformists who don’t give a crap about Star Wars except because it’s the new thing they can destroy and tear apart to shape in their own image.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            Yeah, there’s no bias there at all. Ask Pablo. Stop messaging me. Now.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            The movie’s gotten mostly very positive reviews anyway. Having a female lead doesn’t make you feminist. George’s treatment had a female lead, as a matter of fact.
            As I said, ask Hidalgo on it. Quit messaging me. Good night.

          • Matthew Chenault

            Having a female lead that is a near perfect Mary Sue while having thousands of rabid fans that exhibit all of the qualities of Social Justice Warriors along with a Executive who says “we need more female leads!” does kind of scream “We’ve been sold out to the SJWs.”

          • Adam Kruszynski
          • Adam Kruszynski

            By the way, all aboard the Thrawn train. Nest stop: Rebels. https://mobile.twitter.com/dave_filoni/status/736385452920438792?p=v

          • Matthew Chenault

            Rebels? Oh, you mean rubbish! Yeah, that show is just another example of how Disney doesn’t give a crap about the franchise other than to make money off of people gullible enough to eat whatever is thrown on their plate. It relies on about a couple dozen cameo appearances to even survive, which shows just how little it can carry itself on its own and how boring and uninvested the audience is with the protagonists. Add on top of that the basic rules of the Star Wars Universe being broken every step of the way and you have a recipe for something that stinks worse than a litter box that hasn’t been cleaned out in two days.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            Actually, the show improved a hella lot in Season 2. The first 10 episodes were slow. But literally everything about it improved after that. Characters became more developed, things got gradually darker, characters were killed off, old ones were brought back. There’s been beheadments, suicide, characters fleshed out, etc.
            Once again, pretty sure Disney lets them relatively do their own thing. Hidalgo has stated that their not in charge in what they do with Star Wars.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            Anyway, I wasn’t much of a fan of it either when it first started, and left it for a year. When I came back to it, however, I enjoyed the hell out of it, and the characters were very much given depth. There’s also been some brutal deaths on it, and as I said, Disney lets them relatively do their own thing.
            I’d like to discontinue the conversation. I’d like to end it here.

          • Adam Kruszynski
          • Adam Kruszynski

            lol told ya about Thrawn

          • Adam Kruszynski

            If you didn’t know, a treatment is a general overview for a story that evolves into a script once more detail is put into it. His treatment contradicted pretty much everything post-ROTJ. It’s been confirmed by Lucasfilm.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            Continued: as I said, Lucas treated the EU as a resource. He never read the books, nor did he play the games. He only read some of the comics, which he was retconning with his own material anyway.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            I should also remind you that the call to end the EU was LFL’s, not Disney’s.

          • Adam Kruszynski

            Please read through ALL of those messages.

    • The Fza

      Is there any canon now that an evil corporation owns our childhood?! Or is it all just what will sell?! All I know is that tFA wasn’t the worst movie I’ve even seen (that was tPM) but it also wasn’t half as good as the Thrawn books or even that Dark Empire comic book.

      Still… it was fun. Though I think I’d have liked it better without any connection to the rest of the SWU.

  • Carl Poole III

    You just keep riding that Disney ‘D’ Mr Carter. I’m sure the mouse will take all the bottoms he can get.

    • I love you EU Truthers. So angry.

      • And really homophobic, apparently.

        • Matthew Chenault

          And you’re probably one of the people stalking and harassing members of the Expanded Universe groups to the point of breaking the law, but I’m not going to assume you are that horrible.

          • I don’t have time to do that. I have a website and podcast to run, and troll EU truthers to ban from the comments section.

          • Matthew Chenault

            Wow, you are a scum bag for deleting comments that don’t fit your mindset at all. Everyone has the right to state their opinion and, since you had almost little to no evidence to actually back up deleting the comments you’ve deleted, it only goes to show how desperate you are for deleting opinions that differ from your own.

          • That’s not why I deleted his comments. I deleted them because he was a homophobic troll.

          • Matthew Chenault

            But… he didn’t say anything homophobic at all. You did it because you couldn’t argue with what he was saying because it was, for the most part, right. You didn’t even try bothering answering any of his questions and, instead, you abused your power to delete his comments.

          • Are you dense? “Riding the “D”? Disney needs “bottoms?” Cut the shit.

          • I was willing to hear him out and address his issues if he apologized for that nonsense and he played dumb. So he got banned. I don’t suffer fools around here. This is my site and that kind of shit will not be tolerated in my comments sections. People have a right to say whatever they want, but I don’t have to provide a forum for them.

          • Matthew Chenault

            Simply put, your reasoning has already been proven as nothing more than a fantasy. In the matter of a single year, they’ve managed to completely screw up their own canon, contradict the films, and produce some of the most unoriginal material I have ever seen come out of the franchise.

            Honestly, the common consensus about “Aftermath” is that it is 100% horse shit when compared to the novels it is attempting to over write, “Truce of Bakura” and “Heir to the Empire.” The book was appearing in discount stores after only a few days and received a 2.5 out of 5 stars in Amazon’s website, whereas “Heir to the Empire” has 4.5 stars out of 5. Most of the new canon novels are boring and don’t hold any sort of weight or lasting impact on the readers like “Heir to the Empire” did or any of the Star Wars novels prior to Disney’s take-over.

            All I’ve been seeing is people coming out and calling out Episode VII for being the unoriginal rubbish that it is and how it uses far too many plot devices and relies too heavily on coincidence in the first place. It’s typical, J. J. Abrams film making. Distract the audience with massive explosions and don’t add any sort of substance at all to the films.

          • Are you still here? Jesus. Kindly fuck off.

          • Matthew Chenault

            Are you still being a jerk? Kindly learn how to be a better admin.

          • Have a wonderful day and good luck with your little book movement. Is there anything else I can help you with?

          • Matthew Chenault

            Yeah because you’re letting Disney treat you like rubbish and liking every minute of it instead of actually thinking about what they’re doing and reconsidering your position on the issue. Everything you described in this article sounds like you’re sucking up to Disney because you’re getting new movies rather than you actually care about getting better quality stuff. Simply put, Disney doesn’t produce good quality stuff, especially when they reboot something.

            Honestly, you should be complaining about Disney doing the exact same thing the Expanded Universe did, but doing an even *worse* job than before.

          • 1.) That’s still a homophobic comment, you can see that, right? 2.) You’re irrational hatred of Disney and claiming that they “don’t produce quality stuff” is completely subjective. It’s 100% your opinion, and an ill-informed, kind of baseless opinion at that. You do understand that LUCASFILM made this new Star Wars film, and MARVEL STUDIOS make the Marvel films, and that Disney as parent companies to both, only does the distribution and marketing of these two franchises, right?

      • Carl Poole III

        I’m just a Star Wars fan. I’m not even sure what an EU truther is. I’m not angry, but I am disappointed. I’m disappointed in the schism The Disney Company has help to manufacture in order sell their new canon and I’m disappointed in sellouts like yourself who are helping them by further alienating Star Wars fans to aid in this broken transition to Disney canon. Clearly, you have some knowledge of the EU, but you choose to omit from your article how that the ‘Expanded Universe’ is entirely a concept created by Lucasfilm to describe and cross market properties licensed by them. You may even be choosing to omit how those licensed properties have influenced every single Star Wars film after the first, including the newest one. If the EU is so convoluted and the stories so terrible, why would did it play such a role in how the first two trilogies took shape? If ‘surprise is back in play’ as you claim, why are there so many easily recognizable elements taken from the ‘Legends’ side of the EU even in this new film? This is why I love sellouts like you. You all practically prove my arguments for me.

        • Care to address your homophobia?

          • Carl Poole III

            Care to address my questions? Sidetracking into nonsense doesn’t make any arguments you posed in your article any more valid.

          • You began this with homophobic nonsense. Did this old post get linked to one of your delusional “Save the EU” Facebook pages or something?

          • Carl Poole III

            That’s nonsense. I’ll state my questions again for you: If the EU is so convoluted and its stories so terrible, why did it play such a role in how the first two trilogies took shape? If ‘surprise is back in play’ as you claim, why are there so many easily recognizable elements taken from the ‘Legends’ side of the EU in this new film?

          • Apologize for the homophobic comment and I’ll consider continuing this “discussion.” Otherwise, I’m just going to ban you and erase this entire thread.

          • Carl Poole III

            Please tell me what comment you think I made that was homophobic.

          • Aaaaand with that, you’re banned. Bye bye, asshole.

          • Carl Poole III

            …You can’t, can you?

  • The Fza

    While it should be pointed out that tFA made plenty of ‘Terrible Story’ choices this is all moot, within 20 yrs they’ll probably be making time-travel SW movies that bring us into an alternative timeline where the Expanded Universe does happen…

    Until then, Mara Jade & Co. you’ll be missed!

  • The Fza

    What is this special edition of which you speak… next thing you’re going to be saying is that he made some sort of terrible prequel to the three star wars movies =P

    • Adam Kruszynski

      His “approvals” were really only approvals in the sense of “go ahead and do it”. He never saw it as part of his canon.

      He “signed off” on TFU as well, but his show “Star Wars: Underworld” and later episodes of Clone Wars were supposed to both invalidate TFU and Starkiller.

      George was also writing a treatment for Ep. 7 BEFORE Disney offered to buy. It had absolutely NO EU characters..

  • The Fza

    One man’s Poe is another man’s Zhan… it’s all about where your passion is!

  • Adam Kruszynski

    His “approvals” were really only approvals in the sense of “go ahead and do it”. He never saw it as part of his canon.
    He “signed off” on TFU as well, but his show “Star Wars: Underworld” and later episodes of Clone Wars were supposed to both invalidate TFU and Starkiller.
    George was also writing a treatment for Ep. 7 BEFORE Disney offered to buy. It had absolutely NO EU characters.